we're seeing the whole economy starting a recovery, so i think mr. graham is off base both historically, he is theologically way off base because the whole concept is that jesus came for the downtrodden, the left out, and the lost. he did not come to protect those that were at the top of the economic ladder, and i think that rather than try to use the bible to justify the rich, they ought to read the bible where jesus challenged the rich and their relationship as to how they dell with the poor. >> reverend al sharpton, sir, straight out of a meeting with the president. thank you, sir, so much for joining us. >> thank you, martin. >> you can hear more from the reverend on his white house visit tonight at 6:00 p.m. eastern right here on "politics nati nation" on msnbc. lets turn to our panel. i have toure, my colleague, with me, and also msnbc contributor jonathan capehart of the "washington post." toure, we were talking earlier about the conspiracy theories that are flying, the so-called benghazi cover-up that senators mccain and graham are upset abou